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Does it take a Village?

The topic raises many questions as to where the responsibility lies in directing our children's moral compass.

Most of us have heard the phrase, 'it takes a village to raise a child'. The topic raises many questions as to where responsibility lies in teaching our children how to be caring, productive, responsible members of our community. Clearly everyone who interacts with our children within our community has some impact on influencing our children's morals, thoughts and behavior. A kind senior citizen at the library might help your child reach a book on a shelf, the local baker may hand them a free cookie, a park ranger might stop them in the park and point out a snapping turtle in the road and pick it up and move it, or a policeman might stop your child and tell them to put on their helmet while riding their bike. All of these people in our community will collectively influence our children, who they become, who they admire, trust and want to emulate. The schools clearly take on a significant role in our children's development, but is too much responsibility being forced their way? New government mandates, and optional programs that fall under the 'loco parentis' program, bring this question to the forefront. Who is ultimately responsible for teaching and developing a child's moral compass? Should teachers be responsible for instilling values, as well as a caldron full of math, reading and science skills? What exactly is the parents role in all of this now? Is our only responsibility now, to get them dressed, feed them breakfast, and put them on the bus? Are costly government mandates now installing regulations on how to raise our children, because they don't think we are capable of teaching right from wrong? Are parents too willing to hand over the reins, because they are busy and overwhelmed with juggling work, while making sure their children make their baseball practice, flute lesson, and playdate, before coming home to 2 hours of homework? Yes, a community has a great deal of influence over our children's values, but shouldnt a parent be the compass when it comes to instilling morals?

Tricia G. February 16, 2012 at 12:48 am
Good one Amo!
Perhaps we should cut louis some slack, because he does at least recognize that his inherited Democrat party has 'left him.' In the midst of his confused gibberish, at 11:35 a.m. today he actually posted some 'sense': ..." Lunchbox inspections, frisking students, yet while everyone is deep in everyone else's business, the basics of democracy and western civilization are not being thought of. ...Teach them to think for themselves, have them memorise the essentials, why not recite the Gettysburg address? Instead we still speak of midnight basketball, everyone raising a kid, who is none of your business."
Amo Probus February 16, 2012 at 01:42 am
Every child should be required to memorize and recite the Constitution and it's amendments, The Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers, The Gettysburg Address, Genesis, Fountainhead, and the Monroe Doctrine in order to graduate from grade school...but you know what...the leftists running our schools will never co-operate...they would prefer to inspect lunch boxes, fear bullies and berate capitalism as some kind of sin (that somehow, mysteriously, pays their salaries. Ha
Creeky February 16, 2012 at 06:48 am
Lover of Virtue,
I never could memorize anything, vocab, spelling, the periodic table; I still can't. I never knew more than a few phone numbers until I got a cell phone. I did manage a 3.1 gpa for a bachelor's in engineering, so I can't be a complete fool. So, I can't support your idea of requiring memorization and recital. Those requirements were nothing but bad grades, and humiliation, for me. Discussion, debate, critical thinking and similar approaches on teaching those documents I would certainly support. Well, not The Fountainhead, and the book of Genesis? Am I misunderstanding? Curious as to why you want that in here.
Tom Kelly February 16, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Amo, the "leftists" don't want to berate capitalism. They just don't want Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Mitt Romney, among others, to pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. And they point out the incontrovertible truth that since the inception of the Reagan/Bush Republican tax policies about 30 years ago, the disparity between the rich and everyone else has grown disproportionately, as has the federal deficits. The "leftists" will also point out the abject hypocrisy of those on the right, who somehow want to cast the Republicans as the party of fiscal responsibility. Ironically, one of the most intrusive and expensive federal mandates to ever be made law was passed by President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress-No Child Left Behind. Then Bush and the Republicans gave us Medicare Part D without finding a way to pay for it. And two wars without finding a way to pay for them, along with a massive new federal agency with tens of thousands of new employees. That dreaded EPA that the arch conservatives want to get rid of is a product of President Nixon, and the Department of Education was elevated to cabinet level Department (as part of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare) by Eisenhower in 1953. I would have more respect or the Tea Partiers and I would actually say very little about their positions if they would just stop blaming the Democrats for everything and acknowledge that the GOP has been just as culpable for the challenges they identify.
Tom Kelly February 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm
So, it's not that you fundamentally believe that the government should stay out of people's lives, or leave control of education to families and the local municipalities. You believe it's ok to prescribe what children must memorize, as long as you approve of what they memorize. Fountainhead should be required reading? I really hope you are joking.
Kristy Waizenegger February 16, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Well I don't know if The Fountainhead should be required reading but it happens to be my favorite book! Being an individual and not conforming for sake of conforming - not a bad message for our young people!
louis February 16, 2012 at 02:12 pm
My mamma always told me, stupid is as stupid does....
Kristy Waizenegger February 16, 2012 at 03:56 pm
Tom,
I hope you don't think it's okay that this school took away this child's lunch. It was a turkey and chees sandwich, a piece of fruit and potato chips. The school gave this child chicken nuggets. I hope you're not defending this particular village of idiots.
louis February 16, 2012 at 09:09 pm
I know someone well versed in a variety of topics can sound like gibberish to some. Thanks for the compliment, but actually I take pride in most of what I say, as it tends to come from what I believe in. Trumbull, try and not just applaud that which you agree with. Democratic discourse was not intended to be a purity test, but the ability to find solutions, and to test those solutions through socratic dialog. Its not perfect, but then tell me, who is? I have to say, It takes a village sounds rather similar to, it takes a Communist Party chair. That is after all the last culture where evryone was in everyone else's business. In order to have a republic, though, you need a balance between society and the individual. Maybe this is baloney, maybe what we were taught about what makes us better than Moscow was too. But I suspect there may have been a measure of truth to it. A democratic government is better, if just to give us pause and the ability to reflect on what we are doing to each other. Human nature was never called benign. The 20th century was the opposite of harmless, it was an age that worked to revert us to animals. Well, rather than have the village decide that which is right, as Iron Age Pygmies in Borneo do, let us have the confidence that we have not come all this way to revert to our beginnings
Amo Probus February 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Hey, what is wrong with having children read books that will help create a mindset eager to become a productive citizen? Would you prefer having them read books that teach them how to game and live off society as freeloading socialists?
Didn't we fight a few hot and cold wars to keep socialism at bay? Your granddaddy must be spinning!
Tricia G. February 17, 2012 at 12:19 am
I take it that you are responding to Tom, who probably will not answer your question, nor Kristy's about the "turkey and cheese sandwich" and the "inspector" of 4 yr. olds' lunches.
Tom is a social liberal who cannot see (or won't admit) the failings of statism. Instead of the "Pledge of Allegiance" to our country, which I still believe (and recited in school), in which we support "One nation under GOD, with Liberty and Justice for all"--Tom seems to buy into the un-Constitutional notion of "social justice."
Bill Holden February 17, 2012 at 12:22 am
Tom Kelly, Don't get all hot and bothered about this happening in a mostly conservative state, North Carolina. The bully who essentially told the little girl that her mother wasn't giving her a healthy lunch was a federal agent of the US Depatment of Agriculture following the dietary guidelines of Mrs. Obama.
Joan February 17, 2012 at 01:02 am
Tricia, there you go again. The state is not inspecting every child's lunchbox. This story has been way over-exaggerated by the right-wing blogosphere and the likes of Rush Limbaugh. There happened to be representatives of the state agency that inspects day care facilities or schools at this place that day and the fellow looked at a few kids' lunch boxes. Nobody took food away from anyone or forced anyone to eat anything they didn't want to eat. And the family was not charged for any extra food. What is next? Should the state also not be inspecting these facilities for safety and cleanliness? How about the people who work in these schools and day cares? Should we no longer require certification or background checks?
Here is one article that will give you the truth that you claim to hold so dear. I have more in case you're interested. http://www.thetimesnews.com/articles/lunch-52587-barnes-child.html Richard, I am proud to be a member of your club!
Tom Kelly February 17, 2012 at 02:43 am
I believe in God, and I go to church each and every Sunday. However, I realize that the original Pledge of Allegiance did not have "under God" inserted into it until the 1950's. Yes, you are absolutely right. I believe in social justice. I went to a meeting tonight to discuss helping build and orphanage and a school in one of the poorest parts of Haiti, and I hope to go there for a week in late office and I will do my best to help in anyway I can. I would be thrilled if we could put all political differences aside and you would support such a worthy endeavor, and I promise I won't try to convince you to vote for President Obama this November.
Tom Kelly February 17, 2012 at 02:45 am
Wow, late August, not late office. Automatic speller gone wild.
Tom Kelly February 17, 2012 at 02:51 am
Bill Holden, the article says it was a state employee....and no Kristy, I think that parents should be able to pack a lunch like that....but I also know that a lot of kids have no lunch at all provided for them from home, or something completely lacking in nutrition. Thank goodness we have nutritious meals in our schools.
Kristy Waizenegger February 17, 2012 at 03:19 am
In what universe are chicken nuggets healthy? These are the same people who try to say that potato chips are bad but diet soda is good - this is insanity.
Kristy Waizenegger February 17, 2012 at 03:22 am
Tom, I think this is wonderful but I think you would agree there is a difference between helping and intruding. Clearly what you talk about here is going to help many children. Taking away a child's healthy lunch and replacing it with chicken nuggets is an intrusion.
And, whoever decided that chicken nuggets are healthier than a turkey and cheese sandwich should return to their village of idiots and never return.
Tricia G. February 17, 2012 at 03:37 am
No where in the Pledge, the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution does the specious and insidious notion of "social justice" appear!!
Of course I knew that "under God" was added to the Pledge, but belonged there all along, according to the founding principles, which recognize that our "unalienable rights" and liberties come from GOD, NOT government! Have you forgotten, Tom, that "In God we Trust" is our national motto and has been on our coinage since 1864? The national anthem, written in 1814, says "and this be our Motto, in God is our Trust." Charity, "the pure love of Christ," is an entirely different thing than "social justice," which is PBO and the other statists' specious attempt to 'guilt' people into accepting their un-Constitutional confiscation of as much as they want to take of the "fruits of the labors" of the MAKERS, to "redistribute" them to the TAKERS!! Helping people in Haiti is wonderful and commendable! However, you are attempting to conflate two very different things. "Charity" is done by PEOPLE, neighbors, friends, church and synagogue members, etc. The government does NOT do "charity," and Obama actually wants to hurt true works of charity, by taking away the tax exemption for it.
Tom Kelly February 17, 2012 at 03:55 am
Tricia, those same founding fathers that you are talking about that should have put more references to God in the Constitution....well, they didn't. What those men did, though, was state that free men should be counted as one and all others as 3/5's of one man. They allowed slavery, and didn't give women the right to vote, something they didn't get until 1920. Thank goodness that our society continues to evolve. If it didn't, the Church would be condemning folks who said the earth wasn't flat, Southern farmers would still be owning slaves, and you wouldn't even have the right to vote. All of those changes brought to you by Progressives (you're welcome).
Tom Kelly February 17, 2012 at 04:04 am
And I don't mean to throw the Founders under the bus, but when they said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." I wonder why these Divinely inspired men chose to say ALL men, when they really meant SOME men....certainly not the slaves the owned, who enjoyed neither liberty nor the pursuit of happiness.
Bill Holden February 17, 2012 at 04:36 am
The 3/5's compromise was based on the premise that only voters would be counted for representation purposes. (This [slavery] is an example that political compromise is not all that some make it out to be.) It was the representatives of the northern states that wanted slaves to be counted as 3/5's of a person for the sole reason of reducing the political power of southern states. The slaves were recognized as people, without the right of citizenship because they were also considered property.
It's ironic that those who are viewed as progressive more than 90 years ago were concerned with individual liberty, not a bigger more powerful government.
Kristy Waizenegger February 17, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Joan,
Why are you and others defending this? State employees inspected (the article says "examined") lunch boxes and took away a child's healthy lunch because they did not think it was healthy enough- do you not understand what is inherently wrong with this course of action? And, to make matters worse, if that's possible, they replaced the healthy lunch with chicken nuggets, known to any reasonably intelligent person as one of the most unhealthy foods we can put in our bodies. Are you seriously saying that it's okay this happened? What's the difference between this story and inspectors knocking on your door to see what's in your refridgerator, I'm sure you'd feel differently.
Kristy Waizenegger February 17, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I'm not a fan of this argument Tom. It's the same thinking that made a bunch of people want to revise Huck Finn. It's like revisionist history. Times change and society evolves. As a woman, I'm obviously not thrilled that I was not included in the "all", or the countless others, including the slaves. It was a different time - it's like suggesing that Founding Fathers should have specifically mentioned gay people - The Declaration of Independence was written in the context of those times. Do I believe that slaves should have been included in the "all" - of course - I wish women had been too but the truth, whether we like it or not, is that women were not considered equal to men in 1776. Later, the framers wrote the Consitution in the context of similar times and so over the course of our country's history, it has been the job of our representatives to correct and amend based upon society's changes. I think it's unfair to criticize the Founding Fathers or the Framers as though they should have had a crystal ball to predict the changes in society that would take place over the next few hundred years.
Tricia G. February 17, 2012 at 09:33 pm
I thought you were smarter than to have been deceived by these common fallacies you have spouted about the Founders and slavery and the Constitution. Please check history by Constitutional experts such as Mark Levin, Hillsdale College and Cleon Skousen's "The Five Thousand Year Leap."
It is well acknowledged by the experts that there would ^^never have been a UNION of the colonies into a nation^^ if the Founders had insisted upon ending slavery at the time of the writing of the Constitution. Additionally, beside Bill's and Kristy's points, counting a slave in the way you want--at that time--would have given the slave OWNERS of the southern states undue voting and VETO power over other states! The so-called 3/5 rule was for voting rights for their owners! Would you rather the slave owners have had an additional vote for every slave they owned? Tom, I think you need to find a new church--with preaching on Faith, Hope & Charity (not "social justice"), Repentance and "Forgiveness," so you can overcome your bitterness over past mistakes, even made by GWB (whom you seem to despise, along with "the tea party"). Seriously, Tom, if your tone in these posts is at all reflective of your life--I am sorry to have to say this--but it seems that you are very embittered, rather than succeeding in "the pursuit of happiness." I sincerely hope that will change for you very soon.
Amo Probus February 17, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Back in the day, we gave money to our local churches and charities and they used the money to help the poor in our town. Everyone knew where the money was going and very little was used by the charities to pay for their services. The people who received the help were thankful. I remember seeing a boy a few years younger than I wearing my old coat. I was quietly proud to help out.
Now, the government tries to intrude in the process. They think they know how to collect money (obscene taxes) and where and how to spend it. In the process, they take their cut for government employee wages, pensions, health care, barbershops etc. No one really knows how much is distributed; but we do know it is frequently given to agencies (like Acorn) that support the political (as opposed to charitable) process. The government has no constitutional right or mandate to do this. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome. What Tom is doing as a volunteer and what I do as a volunteer in a related program is the right thing to do.
Tricia G. March 1, 2012 at 05:27 pm
Pam, on the subject of "more local control of education," did you see that Malloy is applying for a waiver from NCLB?
There is an article about it in Wilton's Patch: http://wilton.patch.com/articles/connecticut-applies-for-nclb-waiver-3251145d
Pam Georgas March 1, 2012 at 05:43 pm
Hi Tricia,
I did hear that from someone, but thanks for the article link. I think this is a step in the right direction. I guess I don't understand why they don't just revise the law, rather than make all the states individually apply for waivers? Is it because the process to change it, would take more time than applying for waivers? Or are individual states required to apply for waivers for specific regulations within the law? In other words will CT be exempt from the law in total, or only parts of it? Are there discussions about changing the NCLB regulations, rather than just exempting parts of it, to states that apply? Are there any states that actually see the law as beneficial to their schools? (e.g. they are receiving substantial extra funding because of the law)
Tricia G. March 13, 2012 at 04:56 pm
I can't answer your questions, Pam, but "The best thing a new President and Congress could do for America would be to eliminate the DOE, returning the oversight of educational systems to the States. Clearly, when three quarters of them want out from the No Child program, something is very wrong with it."
That quote is from a great article posted today: http://papundits.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/a-failing-grade-for-americas-educational-system/ Here are a couple of other excerpts, but I recommend reading the entirety. ..."four-part series on “The Subversion of Education in America” and more than a decade later not much has improved. The causes are easily identified. One is federal control and the other is the National Education Association (NEA) which, despite its name, is a union." "What the federal government does is redistribute money and at a time when it is broke the notion of spending billions it does not have begs the question of who gets to waste it." It has been known for decades that schools in highly segregated, low-income, urban areas; those with more than half of their students representing African-American and Latino populations are the ones in trouble. Their problems are, as often as not, related to cultural attitudes and language difficulties. The student’s problems begin in their homes and transfer into the classrooms."... ...
Pam Georgas March 13, 2012 at 09:30 pm
Tricia
No one wants to admit they made a mistake. But when they created this education initiative that is measured, there is no denying it's failure. NCLB, is a measured, failed program. I agree that more local control of education is the answer.

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louis June 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm
wow the Ringling Bros. are protesting Cole? Wow@! Anyway, the best part is, Dave Rutigliano,Read More elected by the people of Trumbull, of their own free will, with other options on the ballot, and is now your State Representative